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War of the Sexes

I was reading my buddy Jason’s blog, Outnumbered, and came upon a rather interesting topic regarding which is the superior sex (no, not doggie compared to missionary). He was responding to a post by a blogger named Nic at My Bottle’s Up.  Read her two posts Women are the Stronger Sex and Sex, Continued. Then you can read my response below. (You might want to prepare a stiff libations before moving forward on this one. Don’t yell at me. You’ve been duly warned).

Dear Nic,

First I’d like to say, genius post. This is my first time visiting your blog so it definitely did the job for which it was intended. I applaud you for, dare I say it, having the “balls” (or should I say “ovaries”?) to speak your mind no matter the consequences. I admire that in a person, man or woman. Creating controversy is a noble ambition but keep in mind that if you’re going to throw something like this out there for the simple reason to create a buzz, you might want to be prepared with an oft-forgotten concept known as facts.

After I read your posts, I started to write what I thought would be a short comment but the more I wrote the more I realized the importance and depth of this topic. At first I tried to draft a witty response like Jason but I realized I’m not as funny as he is and that I had a difficult time finding the humor in mocking and stereotyping an entire group of people, even if that group just happens to be MEN. (I’m afraid that simply acknowledging that there does exist “some” men, according to your definition, which apparently includes donning a “hot” uniform, doesn’t get you off the hook. I suppose in your mind you can’t be a man hater because you’re married to one? There’s little to no difference between that line of logic and the one so many use to excuse their racist views because they have friends of various colors.)

So where Jason took the high road, I’m taking a more nuts ‘n’ bolts approach. Forgive me if it’s inarticulate. After all, I’m just a weak man who puked this on a page. In any case, here’s my take:

1. Are there weak men? Absolutely, but no more so than there are weak women. Just because a man is quiet doesn’t mean he is weak just as a “loud” or “assertive” woman is not necessarily strong.

2. Perhaps you’re aware that your post actually sheds light on the broader issue related to the disparity of acceptability. What do I mean by that? Well, what a woman can say about a man, a man cannot say about a woman. Case in point. I was sitting in the Den of Yentas last week when there was a guest speaker. I arrived late but from what I could tell, she was a physician. The group was discussing teenagers and the issue of what to do to prevent these horny kids from having sex. Sharing with the group the advice she passed along to her own daughter, the physician said, “I told her, ‘Never trust someone who has a penis.’” Hilarity ensued. And then she looked at me and said, “Sorry but it’s true.” Can you just imagine the community outrage if one woman was sitting amongst a group of men and one of them says, “Never trust something that bleeds for five days and doesn’t die”? It would go over like a lead fart but for some reason this very derogatory comment was received by a group of women as acceptable.

Now don’t get me wrong. I’m completely in favor of groups celebrating their achievements and “differences” but only under two conditions: A) The right to do so should be equally enjoyed by ALL groups, even those with whom you might disagree. This includes, but is not limited to, MEN and B) Don’t do so at the expense of other groups. Celebrating your womanhood by positing that one sex is stronger than the other, and then basing that argument on sweeping generalizations (based on what data I have no idea), is tantamount to arguing that one race is superior to another or that one religion is right and any opposing viewpoint is simply wrong. Perhaps you can equivocate explain as to how this “battle” of the sexes is somehow different in scope? Stop and think for a moment if I’d written a post like yours only I stated that men are the stronger sex. Let’s even say I went a step further than you and provided actual evidence based on historical record. For example, I won’t go so far as to say “every” but certainly a “signigicant number” of human advancement, from the genesis of modern mathematics and classical philosophy to the atom bomb, from vaccines to putting man on the moon, has come at the hands of men, not women. Am I suggesting that men are the stronger sex based on this analysis? Not at all. I’m simply illustrating the fact that the barometer you use to demonstrate women’s superiority is flawed.

Notwithstanding the evidence I prepared, I’d have the ACLU knocking on my door, Martha Burk would take a hit out on my life and I’d probably receive the ire of every mommy blogger in the entire blogosphere. Why? Because I said something untrue? No. I would be chastised because I said something that was contrary to the very fabric of their being regardless of its veracity. Why is it acceptable for you to write something like this but not for me? You won’t become the pariah of the woman’s movement. On the contrary, you will be hailed as a brave and heroic warrior (just read the comments on your blog left by other women). You’ll receive accolades and praise from your sisters. Me? I’d probably have my blog shut down.

Why is this caricature of men as the weaker sex not only acceptable but lauded and celebrated? One reason: men constitute the ONLY group of people NOT protected under the PC constitution. You can’t even comment on, much less be at all critical of women. Indeed, every race is off limits, religion is out and insulting someone for their sexual orientation will earn you epithets that make even me blush. So who’s left? MEN. No one ever gets blasted for hating on men. There is a double (heck, a quadruple) standard at play here. We’re not allowed to say anything that might be on our minds and we’re forbidden to fight for what we believe lest we be labeled misogynists, racists or “angry white men.”  If I disagreed with a feminist I’d be called a fascist (perhaps the most misunderstood and misused word in the English language) simply for the fact that I disagreed. If I disagreed with a homosexual I’d be called homophobic. I’ve been called a racist not because I said anything remotely derogatory about Obama’s skin color but because I have contrarian viewpoints regarding his policies. I’ve been labeled a racist for demonstrating my First Amendment right to free speech and peaceful assembly because I attended a rally against the massive expansion of government The Family Tea Party. So ask yourself, who wants this kind of headache? Who needs it? Often it takes a stronger man to remain silent, to wear his guns on the inside.

What you might view as “weak” is an effort by many men to avoid the perception of weakness. Men are expected to simply take whatever abuse is dished to us. We’re taught that firing back makes us look too sensitive and sensitivity is a sign of weakness. Therfore, we keep silent. Believe it or not, keeping silent might also save us from litigation and prison time. You laugh but there is a bill that’s already passed one chamber of Congress which in essence allows anyone who “perceives” a threat or “perceives” harm to be able to civilly litigate the perpetrator of that “perceived” threat (see H.R. 1913). The perpetrator can also face criminal charges. What does this mean? If you feel threatened by what I have to say, you can sue me. I could also be incarcerated. No wonder we’ve been silenced and castrated through a systematic campaign by the courts. The media is certainly complicit in this effort as well. Cinema, television and other media always put men in an inferior, albeit inaccurate, light. The incapable dumb guy who so badly needs his wife lest he stop breathing has become an acceptable and popular characterization. We all know he’d be lost without her. Think what would happen if they switched these roles around. Such a show would never be produced and the “angry white fascist” who floated the suggestion would be looking for a new job cleaning sewers. The media suggestion is so overwhelmingly powerful that some (know of any?) can’t help but apply these false notions to real life men in real life situations. However, you are guilty of accepting (and now promoting) the very same stereotypes that you, as an admitted feminist, have, by definition, so vociferously fought against. Funny how that works, huh?

3. Your “woman are superior” concept raises many tangential topics that perhaps you can explain. For instance, why is it perfectly acceptable for the gym Curves to exclude men but it’s not OK for Augusta National to exclude women? Also, why is it that only men are required to register with the Selective Service (that’s the draft) and women are excused from the obligation? Why do women’s organizations like the NCWO only boycott events like the Master’s but are silent about businesses like Curves? Why do these organizations “fight for the equality of women in the workplace” but one never hears them lobbying Congress for a bill to include women in the draft? Sort of looks hypocritical don’t ya think?

4. I’m a stay-at-home dad (SAHD) and as such I am required to multi-task on a daily basis. My wife is completely incapable of multi-tasking. She will happily admit she cannot walk and chew gum. There are several studies that suggest multi-tasking is not a sign of strength or intelligence. Quite the contrary, the ability to multi-task has been linked to an inferior intellect. I don’t need studies to prove the point. I have my own empirical data on which to rely. What data might that be? Well, I’m not that smart and I’m certainly not as smart as my wife. I can multi-task, she can’t. ‘Nuff said.

As a stay-at-home dad, I don’t have a “hot” uniform but I do get to hang with a lot of women. I also enjoy chillin’ with my male associates. This provides me with a unique opportunity to observe both sexes from the “inside” if you will. Like an ethnographer, I can compare and contrast these subtle nuances between the sexes.  I must be honest, Jason is definitely on to something. When women congregate in groups the topic of their lazy, incapable, good-for-nothing husbands will be invariably broached. In contrast, when guys get together, we drink beer, eat greasy food, watch sports, play cards and fart. That’s it. I pity the guy who comes to a bro bash and hopes to commiserate with his mates about how his ol’ lady isn’t being sensitive to his needs. That guy would be summarily excused and bets would be made as to when he sprouted the vagina. However, if a guy does in fact even mention his wife at all (and I’ve known guys for years and didn’t know they were married), it’s usually in the context that Jason mentioned, that of being demeaned, belittled, criticized and dismissed. For men, the topic of their superior partners is never a primary source of conversation but is more contextual in nature. The following is an excerpt from a real-life chat:

Dude A: “Bro, ya wanna go play some golf manana?”
Dude B: “I can’t, dude. My wife’s making me take her to the orchid show.  She claims I never spend time with her.”
Dude A: “What the fuck? Are you gay or something?”
Dude B: “I didn’t think so.”
Dude A: “No, man, you’re definitely gay.”

5. Birthing a baby does not a woman make. Every “female” in the animal kingdom bears children, some of them by the millions. This alone does not make them a woman just as planting the seed does not make one a man. Would you say that the only requirement to being a man is to impregnate a woman because, as you so eloquently put it, “his body has fulfilled its purpose”? The metamorphosis to manhood and womanhood occurs when one is accountable and responsible for his or her actions. In the case of children, this happens when one LOVES, CARES and RAISES a child. Unfortunately, raising children, contrary to pop myth, is NOT the sole province of women. Men are equally capable of caring and raising our offspring. So, no, pushing out a baby does not equate with womanhood. Many “women” get that far only to abandon the baby in a trash dumpster. Is she still a woman in your eyes? I’m sure you didn’t intend to but I think you belittle the importance of “motherhood” compared to “womanhood.” I know many “strong” women who make very “weak” mothers.

6. Since in your post you use the value of child birth and procreation as the gold standard for “womanhood” let’s take emotion out of the equation for just a moment and look at this biologically. A woman produces a paltry fraction of eggs compared to the number of sperm a man generates. In one “load” a man produces a thousand times more primordial ooze than a woman does in her entire lifetime. He is also able to impregnate multiple partners at the same time and long after a woman of equal age is able to achieve, and maintain, a pregnancy. One can deduce that the male species is biologically wired to procreate with many women. Women, under most circumstances (there are, of course, the occasional anomaly) can only procreate with one man at one time. So, based on this fact, and using your measuring stick, which is the stronger sex?

You will, undoubtedly, curse my name, call me an unenlightened Neanderthal and hate me for it but am I really saying anything different than what you’ve posted on your blog (only in reverse)? I don’t think so although I welcome your input. If you’re offended by what I have to say then perhaps you should be equally insulted by what you posted. For the record, I’m not at all outraged by your opinion; I only ask for an equally open forum for us weak men to speak our minds. Bottom line, I don’t believe one sex is superior to the other. If you’ll permit me a broad generalization, I honestly believe that men and women both possess strengths and weaknesses. Ideally the strengths of one offset the weaknesses of the other. The role of men and women throughout history has been different. Not equal and not the same, just different. Anyways, why do you care if there is a dearth of strong men? You’re lucky to have captured a rare bird in an endangered species so feel blessed, kiss your kid and rock another bottle of wine for in vino veritas. 

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  • Steely Dad's Mama
    I read your blog and was cracking up. I must say you made some VERY good points. Even though it was long I loved every minute of it. You really should write a book you have a talent for writting and I am not just saying it because you are my son. If I did not enjoy reading your writting I just would not say anything.
  • Awwww, shucks Mama. You could be an American Idol Mom: you tell me I'm great but come to find out I suck. I just have fun writing the blog. If people like it, great. If not, I'm still enjoying myself. But thanks for the unconditional support!
  • That was an interesting post and I enjoyed it. Very well thought through and funnier at times than you give yourself credit for. A righteous rant. I read the original post and didn't really agree with it, but it had it's merit in humor. I admit that I laughed at times and am not a man hater. In fact I kind of dig them. That said, stereotypes are caricatures of truths. That what makes jokes funny. Any good joke is steeped in truth. I too laugh at women jokes about shopping and shoes and purses and 'do these jeans make me look fat' even though I do not partake in any of those activities myself, I know there is truth to them.

    I like how well well thought out your post is and I will be back to read often.
  • I seriously CANNOT believe you commented on my blog! I've seen your name basically EVERYWHERE so last night when I was going to bed I made a mental note to visit your blog today and voila! There was your awesome comment! I feel honored.

    I'm glad you enjoyed the post. I know it was a bit verbose but I guess I had a lot to say. Thanks for hanging in there to the end. I'll be by to check out your blog ASAP!
  • Hi! I found you through Dad-Blogs. This is the first post I've read of yours and I'm totally impressed. I don't think I've read a better, well-thought out response to an issue. Whether or not I agree with you is beside the point, it's the depth of your response I admire. Wow! You are going on my blog roll because I don't want to miss another post.
  • Wow! Thank you so much for the very kind sentiment. You just made me feel like a million bucks. I appreciate anyone who can stick with that 2,500+ word story and not fall asleep. I just visited your blog as well and left some comments. Great stuff! Stop by the Steely Dad Nation any ol' time!
  • Leenie
    I usually avoid the "Men Vs.Women" argument because so many times it has turn into a pissing contest or an argument of who makes a better argument . It ends up being devisive. I get the whole Lockean truth thing, though.

    There is one point I did want to acknowledge, though. Regarding women and the draft. We are fighting for that right:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.J....

    S. J. RES. 10 went to congress in 2007 . The Equal Rights Act, in some form, has been in and out of Congress since 1923. It would let women into the draft. Personally, I think the wars are bullshit, BUT if I were drafted, if my country said that I needed to pick up a gun and point a gun at another human being, I WOULD NOT HESITATE TO FIGHT. Maybe it is easier, because there is no draft for women, but technically there isn't a draft for men right now either. If I had to chose, I would chose equality over protection.

    There are a lot a men fighting this war, dispproportionatey so, BUT please remember that women are dying, too. I'm not saying we're stronger or better or more patriotic because of it. I'm saying it's Memorial Day; don't forget.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-ch...
  • Hey Leenie,
    Thanks for putting together some things to consider. I clicked on the link regarding the ERA but did not see anything specifically about the draft. You're correct that the people currently in the military are volunteers, in that they have not been drafted, but keep in mind that ALL men, from the age of 18 until their 26th birthday, are still required to register with the Selective Service, in essence making themselves eligible for a draft, should one be implemented. If a man fails to register with the Selective Service, he is in violation of federal law, which precludes him from federal financial aid, federal jobs and makes him eligible for arrest, prosecution, jail time (up to five years) and fines (up to a quarter of a million dollars). It's no joke.

    I don't think I once stated or implied that men are superior because they are required to register for the draft. Quite the contrary, I think I made the point that both men and women share equally in strengths and weaknesses (generalization duly noted). The only point that I was making is that men ARE required to register and women are not and this seems hypocritical to the idea of equality. I've personally contacted the NCWO to inquire about why they are only focusing their fight on "inequalities" like Augusta National but remain silent on issues such as the draft. As you can probably guess, I did not receive a response. For the record, I respect each and everyone of our servicemen and women who put their necks on the line. End of story.
  • Seriously, I'm flattered that you guys would take the time to read 2,500+ words of my drivel. What's the problem? Don't you guys have lives? :)
  • I can't beat PJ or Tommy Boy so I will joint them. That was Aweosome!
  • LOL...thanks man!
  • so great to have your input! it's fantastic... i respect the whole tit-for-tat approach to your post. though you didn't discuss your "flowing juices" like jason did, i really enjoyed your take on this topic. so glad to add you to my blog roll.

    cheers brotha!
  • Nic! Welcome to the Steely Dad Nation. I want to thank you for launching the initial salvo on this very interesting topic. I have to hand it to you, you've definitely created a buzz. I've tried to do the same and never got this kind of response. It would be great if we can continue doing these types of forums on other "hot" topics. I've also added you to my blog roll. Any woman who is willing to put her neck on the line like you did deserves some props! Way to go!
  • consider the neck out on the line my friend... hit me up any time you wanna dialog/blog-alog/male-female this shit up. i'm down.

    cheers!
  • LOL! Ya know it! I am so down!
  • Wishing people would stop warring and start being more supportive. And I totally agree about the women tlaking about their men, but men not talking about their women. While everyone says men THINK about sex constantly (which may be true) - women talk about it constantly...wanting to have it, not wanting to have it, not wantng to do whatever he wants to do in bed (or out) And we talk about it each other. Women kiss (and fornicate) and tell all the time. Men (at least most of the men *I* know) are much more close lipped.

    Good post!
  • Thanks, Susie! You bring up an excellent point. I love when some women say that the only thing men think about is sex, as if that's somehow a bad thing. Or they will say that men only want one thing, sex. How about women? It seems to me they only want one thing, a really big diamond ring. I can tell you this much. I have personally witnessed when a girl gets engaged all her friends gathering around to ohhh and ahhh about her piece of ice. It's THE moment for her to be the envy of every other woman. I've NEVER in all my years seen a man, after he's just been betrothed, pull out his penis to show how awesome the sex was with his soon-to-be bride. If a woman moves in with a man and there isn't a ring attached to her finger, her friends will think she's a moron, that the guy is not buying the cow because he's getting the milk for free. Applying pressure to him to purchase a $20K piece of jewelry is completely acceptable. It's even acceptable for her to go CHOOSE the ring, which is supposed to be a GIFT! However, if a guy moves in with a woman and they're not yet having sex, she is somehow being smart. Applying pressure to her would be considered unacceptable. I don't get it!
  • I read his post as well, and dropped a rare comment. Your post was a wonderful response. This, however, was priceless:

    Dude A: “Bro, ya wanna go play some golf manana?”
    Dude B: “I can’t, dude. My wife’s making me take her to the orchid show. She claims I never spend time with her.”
    Dude A: “What the fuck? Are you gay or something?”
    Dude B: “I didn’t think so.”
    Dude A: “No, man, you’re definitely gay.”

    Best dude to dude conversation ever.
  • Sean, you're hilarious, my man! You know you've heard similar conversations. We ALL have!
  • Well, I'm going to applaud you for sticking up for your beliefs. Much of what you say is true. Men are still idiots as a whole (I'm kidding, of course-feel free to comment on my blog what terrible drivers women are) but it's nice to see one who can put together such a coherent, well written and thought provoking response, to what is essentially a she-woman, man hating club doctrine. I'm all for equality, but women have to be prepared to take the bad along with the good. The bad being things like the draft, front line combat missions, men in the gym (Curves is freaky) and men on the LPGA tour. Fair is fair, right?
    BTW, I actually looked up fascism to make sure I was using it right (not that I use it that often, but you know). Fortunately, I did have it correct. Whew!
    Also, can't we all just get along? :)
  • Hey, thanks for the well-written comment there, MIHH! Yea, I think that's the point. Equality comes at a price and unfortunately we can't decide what parts of equality we want and reject those we don't. It comes as a full package (did I just say "package"?). Good point about the LPGA. I know Annika and Michelle Wei have participated in PGA tournaments. I recall reading about a male golfer who was trying to do the same on the LPGA. It all starts to get a little bit crazy.
  • To quote Thomas R. Callahan, Jr.: "That. Was. AWESOME!"
  • Thanks, PJ. I love your comment. It made me crack up!
  • May
    Wow. I don't know what Nic or Jason have written - your post can stand on its own!
  • Thanks, May, you are too kind. Jason and Nic both wrote amazing posts and without them igniting the flame my post would've fallen on deaf ears.
  • sweet. thanks for the love. but really, your writing is fabulous.
  • Right back at ya! That is really WAY too kind to say but I do appreciate it. I think this is the beginning of a very cool blog-o-ship!
  • I love you man. I think I used my dictionary about 30 times while reading this post. I feel smarter and prouder to be a man now than I did 10 minutes ago... Way to represent.
  • Ha-ha Jason, you're seriously hilarious! Glad you liked the post. Thanks for writing yours as it definitely got me thinking. I keep reading yours and laughing my ass off!
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